Logs 3264778, 3264748, 3264729

League	Competition	Division	Round	Teams		Score		Maps
ETF2L	Highlander Season 27: Top Tiers	Division 2B	Week 4	Complete Guesswork	BIRDGANG	2.0	4.0	pl_badwater_pro_v12

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		serveme.tf #1276919	pl_badwater_pro_v12	Highlander	Complete Guesswork	BIRDGANG	0	1	14:05			Remove log
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		Totals					0	3	45:10

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Players

Teams			Player	Classes	K	D	A	DA/M	DT/M	HR/M	DA	DT	HR	LKS	AS	MS	BS	HSK	CPC	Time Played
Red	Blue	Red	chocolate		36	32	24	264	190	112	11943	8618	5091	9	0	16	0	0	9	45:10
					36	32	24	264			11943									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Scattergun		32	53%		16			9038
			Flying Guillotine		2						2147
			Wrap Assassin		0						758
			Bleeding		1						0
			Environment		1						0
Red	Blue	Red	Storm		31	42	12	315	311	208	14268	14088	9417	4	2	43	0	0	0	45:10
					31	42	12	315			14268									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Original		30	51%		36			14209
			Direct Hit		0	25%		14			59
			Environment		1						0
Red	Blue	Red	Sabesaroo		29	35	18	115	292	189	5239	13224	8558	3	0	6	0	0	3	45:10
					29	35	18	115			5239									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Degreaser		19						3497
			Flare Gun		5						891
			Beggar's Bazooka		0						552
			Iron Bomber		0						182
			Detonator		0						78
			Backburner		1						39
			Rocket Reflect		2						0
			Environment		2						0
Red	Blue	Red	Deki		32	31	15	355	269	240	16038	12191	10864	5	3	17	0	0	2	45:10
					32	31	15	355			16038									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Stickybomb		17	21%		15			10825
			Iron Bomber		14	27%		20			5148
			Bat Outta Hell		1						65
Red	Blue	Red	laggy lawn		18	27	12	137	190	104	6196	8607	4698	4	0	8	0	0	7	45:10
					18	27	12	137			6196									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Widowmaker		7	50%		12			2623
			Level 3 Sentry		7						1341
			Mini-Sentry		2						850
			Level 1 Sentry		0						655
			Wrangled Sentry		0						289
			Level 2 Sentry		0						259
			Frontier Justice		0						114
			Rescue Ranger		1						65
			Environment		1						0
Red	Blue	Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer		29	33	22	168	389	187	7622	17580	8484	4	0	21	0	0	2	45:10
					29	33	22	168			7622									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Tomislav		28						7534
			Fists of Steel		1						88
Red	Blue	Red	Elsbeth		0	19	24	2	115		107	5210	0	0	0	6	0	0	0	45:10
					0	19	24	2			107									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Crusader's Crossbow		0	52%		1			107
Red	Blue	Red	fundo		37	24	8	243	176	120	11005	7983	5445	9	0	4	0	25	1	45:10
					37	24	8	243			11005									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Sniper Rifle		34	43%		55			10615
			Conscientious Objector		2						390
			Environment		1						0
Red	Blue	Red	ORACLE Dowel		36	30	3	319	131	5	14453	5948	236	5	0	50	28	0	0	45:10
					36	30	3	319			14453									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Spy-cicle		29						13068
			L'Etranger		5	34%		13			961
			Revolver		2	47%		22			424
Blue	Red	Blue	Biohazard		33	22	17	214	172	97	9671	7780	4399	6	0	49	0	0	7	45:10
					33	22	17	214			9671									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Scattergun		25	57%		20			8826
			Lugermorph		7	19%		3			845
			Environment		1						0
Blue	Red	Blue	Hartz #newsens		31	48	9	263	251	73	11898	11377	3332	4	2	94	0	0	1	45:06
					31	48	9	263			11898									45:06
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Beggar's Bazooka		26	28%		19			11273
			Rocket		3	50%		44			625
			Environment		2						0
Blue	Red	Blue	Teriyaki		11	26	28	135	249	263	6118	11270	11916	3	0	8	0	0	2	45:10
					11	26	28	135			6118									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Degreaser		8						2689
			Detonator		1						2380
			Iron Bomber		0						308
			Original		0						272
			Flamethrower		1						225
			Flare Gun		0						131
			Backburner		0						113
			Rocket Reflect		1						0
Blue	Red	Blue	Metroid		32	28	21	326	284	284	14765	12830	12841	6	0	11	0	0	1	45:10
					32	28	21	326			14765									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Stickybomb		18	23%		14			9976
			Iron Bomber		13	27%		17			4789
			Environment		1						0
Blue	Red	Blue	Vinbing		34	22	12	167	156	109	7574	7050	4960	5	0	13	0	0	7	45:10
					34	22	12	167			7574									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Level 3 Sentry		7						1906
			Wrangled Sentry		9						1504
			Rescue Ranger		3						999
			Widowmaker		5	43%		12			972
			Mini-Sentry		1						967
			Level 1 Sentry		5						740
			Level 2 Sentry		2						388
			Jag		2						98
Blue	Red	Blue	ツtyegraツ		31	25	22	235	299	186	10628	13521	8405	6	0	28	0	0	2	45:10
					31	25	22	235			10628									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Tomislav		14						6042
			Minigun		17						4586
Blue	Red	Blue	¿mogu? hzl		0	15	19	1	129		52	5856	0	0	0	17	0	0	4	45:10
					0	15	19	1			52									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Crusader's Crossbow		0	57%		0			52
Blue	Red	Blue	☮Asura☮		55	28	4	322	210	108	14556	9520	4905	7	0	6	0	39	0	45:10
					55	28	4	322			14556									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Sniper Rifle		55	45%		66			14556
Blue	Red	Blue	Nulgath #freeTF2Klown		46	37	3	402	169	29	18187	7667	1350	4	0	41	35	1	1	45:10
					46	37	3	402			18187									45:10
			Weapon		K	Acc		DA/S			DA
			Knife		22						9090
			Spy-cicle		9						4048
			Conniver's Kunai		4						1880
			Big Earner		2						900
			L'Etranger		3	43%		16			763
			Ambassador		2	31%		18			757
			Revolver		3	41%		20			709
			Your Eternal Reward		0						40
			Environment		1						0
Teams			Player	Classes	K	D	A	DA/M	DT/M	HR/M	DA	DT	HR	LKS	AS	MS	BS	HSK	CPC	Time Played

Totals

Team/Round			K	D	A	DA/M	DT/M	HR/M	DA	DT	HR	LKS	AS	MS	BS	HSK	CPC	Ü	Duration
Red			91	111	47	1852	2141	1089	32454	37519	19079	5	2	73	14	8	10	3	17:31
1			79			2314			27078									3	11:42
2			33			1847			10744									0	5:49
Blue			111	94	52	2141	1852	1148	37519	32454	20116	6	2	87	19	10	7	6	17:31
1			58			1855			21710									3	11:42
2			32			1795			10441									3	5:49
	Red		65	77	29	1779	2001	1116	24142	27160	15141	7	0	87	3	15	11	2	13:34
	1		46			2084			15359									1	7:22
	2		33			1680			10416									1	6:12
	Blue		77	65	45	2001	1779	1245	27160	24142	16894	9	2	54	8	9	6	4	13:34
	1		32			1863			13726									3	7:22
	2		31			1903			11801									1	6:12
		Red	80	97	46	1935	2257	1194	27257	31788	16820	9	1	44	6	8	8	3	14:05
		1	67			2247			21017									2	9:21
		2	27			2140			10134									1	4:44
		Blue	97	80	54	2257	1935	1196	31788	27257	16851	6	0	93	13	15	7	3	14:05
		1	53			1831			17123									1	9:21
		2	30			2275			10771									2	4:44

Medics

Teams			Player	Class	H%	H/M	H	Ü	MÜ	KÜ	OÜ	D	AL	BAL	DAÜ	DBÜ	Time Played
Red	Blue	Red	Elsbeth		100%	1169	52838	13	13	0	0	6	11	0:40	6	0	45:10
Red	Blue	Red	Deki		21%	240	10864										45:10
Red	Blue	Red	Storm		18%	208	9417										45:10
Red	Blue	Red	Sabesaroo		16%	189	8558										45:10
Red	Blue	Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer		16%	187	8484										45:10
Red	Blue	Red	fundo		10%	120	5445										45:10
Red	Blue	Red	chocolate		10%	112	5091										45:10
Red	Blue	Red	laggy lawn		9%	104	4698										45:10
Red	Blue	Red	ORACLE Dowel		0%	16	236										14:05
Blue	Red	Blue	Nulgath #freeTF2Klown		0%	1	45										31:05
Blue	Red	Blue	¿mogu? hzl		100%	1152	52063	25	19	6	0	6	2	0:40	1	0	45:10
Blue	Red	Blue	Metroid		25%	284	12841										45:10
Blue	Red	Blue	Teriyaki		23%	263	11916										45:10
Blue	Red	Blue	ツtyegraツ		16%	186	8405										45:10
Blue	Red	Blue	Vinbing		10%	109	4960										45:10
Blue	Red	Blue	☮Asura☮		9%	108	4905										45:10
Blue	Red	Blue	Biohazard		8%	97	4399										45:10
Blue	Red	Blue	Hartz #newsens		6%	73	3332										45:06
Blue	Red	Blue	Nulgath #freeTF2Klown		3%	28	1305										45:10

Events

Kills

Teams			Player	Scout	Soldier	Pyro	Demo	Heavy	Engineer	Medic	Sniper	Spy	Total
Blue	Red	Blue	☮Asura☮	6	6	8	8	6	9	3	5	4	55
Blue	Red	Blue	Nulgath #freeTF2Klown	4	6	3	3	14	5	1	9	1	46
Red	Blue	Red	fundo	3	7	2	6	5	4	1	6	3	37
Red	Blue	Red	chocolate	5	7	1	2	3	3	1	3	11	36
Red	Blue	Red	ORACLE Dowel	1	2	0	5	7	5	2	13	1	36
Blue	Red	Blue	Vinbing	5	10	6	7	0	1	0	0	5	34
Blue	Red	Blue	Biohazard	4	6	4	4	4	1	2	4	4	33
Blue	Red	Blue	Metroid	3	4	7	2	6	3	4	1	2	32
Red	Blue	Red	Deki	3	5	8	2	1	3	5	2	3	32
Blue	Red	Blue	Hartz #newsens	4	6	0	2	1	5	6	3	4	31
Blue	Red	Blue	ツtyegraツ	3	3	6	5	2	1	2	1	8	31
Red	Blue	Red	Storm	2	5	2	2	4	4	4	3	5	31
Red	Blue	Red	Sabesaroo	4	7	6	5	1	2	1	1	2	29
Red	Blue	Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	2	6	5	3	2	1	1	0	9	29
Red	Blue	Red	laggy lawn	2	7	1	3	2	0	0	0	3	18
Blue	Red	Blue	Teriyaki	3	1	1	0	0	2	1	1	2	11

Deaths

Teams			Player	Scout	Soldier	Pyro	Demo	Heavy	Engineer	Medic	Sniper	Spy	Total
Blue	Red	Blue	Hartz #newsens	7	5	7	5	6	7	0	7	2	46
Red	Blue	Red	Storm	6	6	1	4	3	10	0	6	6	42
Blue	Red	Blue	Nulgath #freeTF2Klown	11	5	2	3	9	3	0	3	1	37
Red	Blue	Red	Sabesaroo	4	0	1	7	6	6	0	8	3	35
Red	Blue	Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	4	1	0	6	2	0	0	6	14	33
Red	Blue	Red	chocolate	4	4	3	3	3	5	0	6	4	32
Red	Blue	Red	Deki	4	2	0	2	5	7	0	8	3	31
Red	Blue	Red	ORACLE Dowel	4	4	2	2	8	5	0	4	1	30
Blue	Red	Blue	Metroid	2	2	5	2	3	3	0	6	5	28
Blue	Red	Blue	☮Asura☮	3	3	1	2	0	0	0	6	13	28
Red	Blue	Red	laggy lawn	1	5	2	3	1	1	0	9	5	27
Blue	Red	Blue	ツtyegraツ	3	4	1	1	2	2	0	5	7	25
Blue	Red	Blue	Teriyaki	1	2	6	8	5	1	0	2	0	25
Red	Blue	Red	fundo	4	3	1	1	1	0	0	5	9	24
Blue	Red	Blue	Biohazard	5	2	4	3	2	2	0	3	1	22
Blue	Red	Blue	Vinbing	3	4	2	3	1	0	0	4	5	22
Red	Blue	Red	Elsbeth	2	6	1	4	2	0	0	3	1	19
Blue	Red	Blue	¿mogu? hzl	1	4	1	5	1	0	0	1	2	15

Assists

Teams			Player	Scout	Soldier	Pyro	Demo	Heavy	Engineer	Medic	Sniper	Spy	Total
Red	Blue	Red	chocolate	8	13	2	4	7	5	2	3	16	60
Blue	Red	Blue	☮Asura☮	6	6	8	9	7	10	3	6	4	59
Blue	Red	Blue	ツtyegraツ	5	5	14	10	4	2	3	1	9	53
Blue	Red	Blue	Metroid	7	6	10	5	6	7	8	2	2	53
Red	Blue	Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	3	10	7	7	5	3	2	3	11	51
Blue	Red	Blue	Biohazard	7	10	7	5	8	1	3	4	5	50
Blue	Red	Blue	Nulgath #freeTF2Klown	5	6	4	3	14	5	1	9	2	49
Red	Blue	Red	Deki	3	8	10	5	4	4	7	3	3	47
Red	Blue	Red	Sabesaroo	6	11	10	6	2	2	4	1	5	47
Blue	Red	Blue	Vinbing	8	13	7	9	2	1	0	0	6	46
Red	Blue	Red	fundo	3	9	3	6	6	5	1	6	6	45
Red	Blue	Red	Storm	2	5	3	5	6	5	6	5	6	43
Blue	Red	Blue	Hartz #newsens	4	7	4	3	2	5	7	4	4	40
Blue	Red	Blue	Teriyaki	5	5	4	4	6	4	2	2	7	39
Red	Blue	Red	ORACLE Dowel	2	3	0	5	7	5	2	13	2	39
Red	Blue	Red	laggy lawn	4	11	2	5	3	0	0	0	5	30
Red	Blue	Red	Elsbeth	3	5	6	1	0	4	1	0	4	24
Blue	Red	Blue	¿mogu? hzl	3	3	4	0	3	2	1	1	2	19

Chat

serveme.tf #1276919

Team	Player	Message
Blue	¿mogu? hzl	u fear?
Red	fundo	your american talks too much make them quiet please
Blue	Teriyaki	aleskee: dont care didnt ask plus your open
Red	laggy lawn	my open what?
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	i wil go through the entire catman bind next time cringe happens
Blue	Hartz #newsens	BrannMolvik(Nor): It's a skill issue!
Red	fundo	iikq: voi curry pon pirun päkmi ja miffinz llt kyllä kovis NOSTAN HATTUUNSA
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Hello, this is catman
Blue	Teriyaki	DoesHotter left the game (Racism)
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Twice heavy of the season...
Blue	Teriyaki	Lilith : you know what euros would do to a cute jewish femboy like me ><
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Most accurate tomislav in the world...
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Tsar of 2Fort...
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	And now I'm just not allowed to play heavy in mid division this season
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	So if you gonna ask me why?
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Im gonna answer - simple
Red	chocolate	BROOO
Blue	ツtyegraツ	ayo
Blue	Biohazard	MOVEMENT
Blue	ツtyegraツ	i saw that
Red	chocolate	RUINING MY FRAGMOVIE
Blue	Biohazard	MAKING MY FRAGMOVIE INSANE TY
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	But you know what?
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Today, they fuck me
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	And tomorrow, they gonna fuck YOU
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	This video is not about what the posted trailer for
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	That video will come later
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	This video is about my personal tragedy happened to me this week
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	So i guess i gonna start from the beginning
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	On the day, when the season was started, an admin called supra added me on steam and said
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	That I'm not allowed to play heavy in my team this season
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	So i just asked him why
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Because you were playing on it in prem
Blue	Hartz #newsens	BrannMolvik(Nor): It's a skill issue!
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Still not understanding what the fuck this retard is trying to say to me, i just asked : and...?
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	And that wasn't long time ago, that is it
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	And I start thinking : what kind of rule i'm breaking?
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Maybe rule 3.6, about the amount of players with higher experience is limited?
Blue	Hartz #newsens	BrannMolvik(Nor): It's a skill issue!
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	But no, this is rule only about the players that joined after the provisional tiers were published
Blue	Teriyaki	just fyi I have a shaming kink
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	So maybe, the rule 3.6.1, about open/fresh meat team? Still no, because is only about the lower division
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	As i know, mid divison is not open/fresh meat division
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	So I just ask him straight:
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	What is the rule which is not allowing me to play heavy in mid?
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	And he said '7.3 - admin discretion'
Blue	Hartz #newsens	i like some freshmeatdivision
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	And you know what? I just got fucking shocked
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Because I don't expect these faggots
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Gonna create a rule, which allow them to do whatever the fuck they want
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	So just try to imagine, that tomorrow an admin called supra is gonna add you on steam
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	oh shit i forgot about this line
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	cya in etf2l dungeon
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	and say it, that you need to put your finger into your ass
Blue	Teriyaki	I wanna request sabers demo
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	otherwise, you gonna get BANNED
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	And when you gonna ask him why, he gonna say 'rule 7.3, admin discretion'
Blue	Teriyaki	Lilith : you know what euros would do to a cute jewish femboy like me ><
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	So this basically gives them the absolute power just base whatever they want to do
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	on their opinions, judgement, thoughts, decisions and nothing more
Red	chocolate	lol
Blue	Biohazard	???
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	But maybe you think, they are not so fucking stupid to do such things
Red	Storm	gg
Blue	Hartz #newsens	gg
Blue	Vinbing	gg
Blue	Biohazard	gg
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Well, if they're not so fucking stupid why they just haven't invented a simple rule
Red	ORACLE Dowel	gg
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	which is not allowing prem players to play their main classes
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	the division, erhm, lower than 1 or 2... Is it simple?
Red	laggy lawn	g_g
Blue	Hartz #newsens	BrannMolvik(Nor): It's a skill issue!
Red	Sabesaroo	gg
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Well, maybe for me and you - yes, but not for them

serveme.tf #1276919

Team	Player	Message
Red	Hartz #newsens	dont forget to record your demo
Red	Vinbing	already frogot
Red	¿mogu? hzl	'my open team won their offie'
Blue	ORACLE Dowel	you definitely request mine, I don't have them ;)
Red	Hartz #newsens	aka this team
Red	Teriyaki	just fyi I have a shaming kink
Red	Vinbing	gonna request lawn demo
Red	Vinbing	to steal his strats
Blue	laggy lawn	plz dont
Blue	laggy lawn	100 ping strats
Red	Vinbing	heard you were prem though...
Blue	142 apm rotation enjoyer	¿mogu? hzl : можно отсос после скрима?
Red	¿mogu? hzl	?
Red	Hartz #newsens	let them cap
Red	Vinbing	gg
Red	Hartz #newsens	gr

serveme.tf #1276919

Team	Player	Message
Red	Sabesaroo	o burger ping
Blue	Hartz #newsens	i have na scrimm
Blue	Hartz #newsens	gl hdf
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Hello, this is catman
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Twice heavy of the season...
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Most accurate tomislav in the world...
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	Tsar of 2Fort...
Blue	¿mogu? hzl	можно отсос после скрима?
Blue	Hartz #newsens	bubble are you still involved in the gta sa 100% speedrun community?
Red	laggy lawn	nah not really
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	kekw
Red	laggy lawn	I just provided some tricks then dipped
Red	laggy lawn	never played much
Blue	Teriyaki	based
Blue	Hartz #newsens	kek
Blue	Biohazard	roll pls ty
Red	laggy lawn	let us roll pls
Blue	Biohazard	ok
Blue	Biohazard	i will
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	¿mogu? hzl : можно отсос после скрима?
Blue	¿mogu? hzl	well
Blue	¿mogu? hzl	can you
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	maybe in another life
Blue	Hartz #newsens	prem bodysahost
Blue	Hartz #newsens	*shots
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	And now I'm just not allowed to play heavy in mid division this season
Blue	¿mogu? hzl	i need to piss so bad
Blue	Hartz #newsens	BrannMolvik(Nor): It's a skill issue!
Blue	Teriyaki	just fyi I have a shaming kink
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	based
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	wait
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	is it you shaming or do you get shamed
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	big question
Blue	Teriyaki	getting shamed
Blue	Teriyaki	>)
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	nvm then
Blue	Biohazard	brow awat wat
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	у еас аллергия на хевика
Blue	Biohazard	???????
Blue	Vinbing	wtf
Blue	Biohazard	spy jjumpscare
Blue	Biohazard	based pyro taunt
Red	Sabesaroo	very intentional
Blue	Biohazard	mind games
Blue	Hartz #newsens	BrannMolvik(Nor): It's a skill issue!
Red	laggy lawn	g_r
Blue	Hartz #newsens	gr
Blue	Vinbing	gr
Blue	¿mogu? hzl	anyone here listen to deftones
Red	142 apm rotation enjoyer	So if you gonna ask me why?